On these days’s episode of the 5 Issues podcast:

When the COVID-19 pandemic hit, other people became to out of doors actions to stick energetic whilst social distancing. A kind of actions was once mountain mountaineering, mountains above 14,000 ft specifically. They’re known as 14’ers and Colorado is the epicenter of these kinds of peaks.

5 Issues Sunday host James Brown sat down with Lloyd Athearn, the manager director of the Colorado 14’ers initiative. Athearn mentioned the attraction of mountaineering mountains is each bodily and psychological and that the rewards are impressive in addition to the results. To this point a minimum of six other people have died mountaineering 14’ers this 12 months.

James additionally sat down with Jason Kolo, a landscaper from Cleveland Ohio and an avid hiker who has climbed mountains all over the place the arena.

Jason mentioned he is aware of the dangers, yet mentioned he does not pass into it with that mindset. As a substitute, he mentioned he makes a speciality of the certain like being in nature.

He mentioned, “being within the clouds or above the clouds is a great feeling.”

To learn extra about 14’ers, click on under”

Folks die summitting 14,000-foot mountain peaks. Those climbers do it anyway. By means of USA TODAY’s Grace Hauk

Protective Colorado 14’ers – Colorado Fourteeners Initiative

Apply James Brown, Lloyd Athearn, Jason Kolo and Grace Hauk on Twitter.

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James Brown:                  Hi, and welcome to 5 Issues. It is November 27, 2022. Pass Expenses. Each week, we take a query, an concept or idea and pass deep. On this week, we begin on a mountain in Colorado.

Jason Kolo:                       That is the place I got here from. I began out someplace approach down there, and here is the path.

James Brown:                  That is Jason Kolo. He is from Cleveland. It Jason and his common mountaineering significant other, Oliver the border collie are mountaineering down Mount Huge.

Jason Kolo:                       You able to move, huh? All proper. Pass on.

James Brown:                  He is a landscaper and a lifelong hiker. His Twitter biography ends with dwelling outdoor at all times. We’re going to listen extra from Jason in a bit of. In the event you seek fourteeners or mountains above 14,000 ft on Instagram or Fb or Twitter, you’ll be able to to find hundreds of movies like Jason’s. Lloyd Athearn, the manager director of the Colorado Fourteeners Initiative, claims that this task is rising. Between 5 and seven% extra hikers attempted every 12 months. Like many different out of doors actions in parks he says use of fourteeners spiked all the way through the COVID-19 pandemic.

Lloyd Athearn:                 Final 12 months, we had an estimate of 303,000 other people. In 2020 all the way through the pandemic summer time, we expected that there have been 415,000.

James Brown:                  That is in large part as a result of Colorado is the epicenter for fourteeners in North The usa, yet there are mountains that measurement all over the place the American West.

Lloyd Athearn:                 It may be each an overly bodily difficult task. It may be an overly intellectually difficult task as you might be looking to see, “Can I determine this out?”

James Brown:                  The rewards are breathtaking.

Lloyd Athearn:                 It is truly exhausting to seize simply the majesty of being in a few of these puts the place you are looking round on the surroundings and you might be pondering, “Wow, that is simply impressive.” As a substitute of having a look up at mountains from under, you are looking above them or throughout at them.

James Brown:                  However so are the results. No less than six other people have died mountaineering fourteeners up to now this 12 months, and that is the reason simply those tracked by means of the Colorado Fourteeners Initiative. As I perceive, no longer everyone comes again.

Lloyd Athearn:                 Smartly, I believe that is approach overblown. Identical to airliners, from time to time, issues pass flawed. They fall from the sky, other people die. From time to time within the mountains you might be in an atmosphere the place deficient selections, climate, meteorological prerequisites can create eventualities the place injuries occur. Mountains will also be very unforgiving places, so sure, other people do die. Maximum years I have been monitoring it as it does have a tendency to, particularly if we get right into a season with numerous fatalities, it has a tendency to generate media pursuits. I have been monitoring through the years what number of people die on fourteeners. Within the ultimate 22 years, now we have had, I believe two or 3 years the place we had 0 other people die. In probably the most fatal 12 months, 2017, there have been 10 individuals who died.

James Brown:                  Jason Kolo, who we met firstly of this episode, is aware of the chance. Six other people have died doing this, died mountaineering fourteeners in Colorado.

Jason Kolo:                       Yeah.

James Brown:                  You are conscious about this?

Jason Kolo:                       Oh, sure, sure. I am conscious about it. I am not announcing it does not hassle me. I do not need to die, yet I do know if I slip or fall or get harm, there is a superb likelihood you’ll want to die, particularly as a result of in Colorado, I am going on my own with my canine. It is simply me and him and I’ve my GPS and I’ve my Nationwide Geographic maps. In case you are on the most sensible, you get mobile phone carrier, yet if you find yourself down within the thick of it, you do not … there is simply not anything. You don’t have any carrier, there is no GPS, there is truly not anything if you find yourself within the woods heading up.

James Brown:                  In the event you call to mind a town of 300,000 and best six other people death, it isn’t … that might be an overly, very protected position.

Jason Kolo:                       Proper.

James Brown:                  However in a town or in a neighborhood of 300,000, the ones other people who’re death don’t seem to be hanging themselves at risk, I’d argue.

Jason Kolo:                       Yeah. Proper. I agree. You might be hanging your self in a sticky scenario. You pass ready, yet you by no means suppose … you at all times suppose these days’s going to be a just right day, I assume. You by no means suppose, “These days is the day the place, oh, I’ll get harm, or I’ll fall, or a large rock’s going to land on my head.” You do not pass with that mindset. You do know what can occur and you might be cautious about it, yet search for the certain, no longer the what may just occur.

James Brown:                  The certain is simply being out in nature, difficult your self?

Jason Kolo:                       Yeah. Yeah. It is a check of your staying power, a check your psychological skill. Whilst you get to the highest, it is a large praise. It is superb. Being both within the clouds or above the clouds is truly a great feeling. It simply takes over your frame.

James Brown:                  Jason has climbed mountains all over the place the arena. For the ultimate 5 years, he is pushed from Ohio to Colorado, the point of interest on fourteeners on account of an opportunity come across.

Jason Kolo:                       I used to be in Utah. I used to be in Utah, my mother had most cancers, so we went to Utah. I’ve a task the place I may just pass lend a hand care for her whilst she was once there, and I did my first mountain there. Once I got here back off on the lodge we have been staying at, there took place to be any individual who additionally hiked and was once well beyond what I did. They have been those sitting at a bar over a lager instructed me, “Hello, smartly, have you ever ever been to Colorado? There is a complete workforce of fourteeners.

                                           There is 50 of them that you’ll want to hit, and maximum of them are very climbable and maximum of them you don’t want mad talent to get to. Numerous them, you do, yet maximum of them you do not.” That struck up a pair hour dialog in a bar in the midst of Utah, Sandy, Utah. That is the place I first heard fourteeners after which I went for it. I simply packed up my canine and on my fortieth birthday was once like, “Colorado, right here we come.” I summited Mount Elbert and Mount Huge on my birthday, which occurs to be my canine’s birthday too; similar date, which is bizarre.

James Brown:                  So a minimum of the fourteener component is somewhat new to you.

Jason Kolo:                       Previous 5 years, sure. Previously 5 years, I have long past from climbing and doing long-distance trails to the entire approach as much as 19,341 ft in Africa.

James Brown:                  Wow.

Jason Kolo:                       So yeah, up to now 5 years since I became 40, I have truly been doing it so much, lot extra. It is been 10 years general, but-

James Brown:                  How’s your mother?

Jason Kolo:                       She handed. Yeah.

James Brown:                  My condolences.

Jason Kolo:                       Thanks. It is at an advantage. It is the factor the place she was once struggling, and we went to Utah for our ultimate ditch effort at some particular new factor that did not paintings, yet she beloved the wasteland. She’s the explanation I’m out outdoor. I have no idea should you’ve noticed my footage, yet a few of my footage are devoted to her as a result of when she was once in Utah, that is why I initially went to the mountains was once to turn her footage of what she may just not do. I would pass climbing and he or she’d do her stuff, and I would come house from her remedy. I would display her footage of my journey, and it simply made her smile. So I persisted and stored proceeding and not stopped.

James Brown:                  I have discovered, as a result of I have misplaced a large number of family members myself-

Jason Kolo:                       I am sorry, it isn’t simple.

James Brown:                  Thank you. Thanks. 3 siblings, two brothers, one sister.

Jason Kolo:                       Wow. I am sorry.

James Brown:                  Once I take into accounts it, I call to mind certainly one of my favourite strains I have ever heard. It is from No Nation For Previous Males, “Child issues occur. You’ll’t take them again.”

Jason Kolo:                       That is so true.

James Brown:                  I discovered by means of doing issues that I do know that they beloved, that I think nearer to them. Do you get that feeling too?

Jason Kolo:                       She’s the explanation we hiked. Everybody can be away at paintings and we might pass all the way down to the nationwide park and opt for a hike as a bit child, after which we would pass tenting as an entire circle of relatives. Hocking Hills principally is the place we used to move so much, and yeah, I do. My dad requested me, he requested me a large number of the similar questions, “Why do you pass up there?” To him, as a result of he loves my mother nonetheless, I say “As a result of she will be able to see me and he or she is aware of I am up there, and she will be able to do issues that she’s by no means completed as a result of she sees me,” which warms his middle. So I do really feel her up there a bit of. It is a just right revel in.

James Brown:                  How lengthy do you plan to try this?

Jason Kolo:                       Till I will be able to’t stroll.

James Brown:                  Wow.

Jason Kolo:                       Yeah. I have noticed older other people up there, 50s, 60s, nonetheless doing what I used to be doing after I began this in my younger 30s. If they may be able to do it, I believe I will be able to do it, so there is quite a lot of mountains to nonetheless achieve the summit of.

James Brown:                  Any well-known ultimate phrases?

Jason Kolo:                       Simply are living existence for your absolute best, proper? At all times are living your absolute best existence.

James Brown:                  Jason Kolo, thanks for becoming a member of me.

Jason Kolo:                       It is my excitement. Thank you for having me.

James Brown:                  In the event you just like the display, write us a evaluation on Apple Podcast or anywhere you might be listening. Do me a choose, percentage it with a chum. What do you call to mind the display? E-mail me at [email protected] or depart me a message at 585-484-0339. A distinct because of USA These days’s Grace Hauk for her nice article on Fourteeners. You’ll to find it on usatoday.com. We’re going to additionally hyperlink to it within the description. Because of Lloyd Athearn and Jason Kolo for becoming a member of me. Because of Alexis Gustin and Shannon Ray Inexperienced for his or her manufacturing assistant. Taylor Wilson can be again the next day to come morning. For all folks at USA These days, thank you for listening. I am James Brown, and as at all times, be smartly.

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